Qualifying at Monaco

[glojo]

Was Schumacher unlucky to have overcooked it on his last lap in qualifying?

[JonLittlechild]

Regardless of Schumacher's guilt or otherwise, according to the letter of the law Fisichella and Alonso should lose their fastest times as they set them whilst there were double waved yellows on the track... so if I were Renault, I'd keep my head down and keep quiet.

[glojo]

Originally Posted by JonLittlechild

Regardless of Schumacher's guilt or otherwise, according to the letter of the law Fisichella and Alonso should lose their fastest times as they set them whilst there were double waved yellows on the track... so if I were Renault, I'd keep my head down and keep quiet.

Regardless of whether Alonso or Fisichella should loose their times the question was about Schumacher, plus I don't think setting your fastest time is relevant?

In this last session of qualifying, cars cruise around until the final minutes, so I would be amazed if any driver was not on their fastest lap

It has more to do with acknowledging and slowing down for the waved yellows. I believe Alonso was two tenths faster than Schumacher and lifted because of where the ferrarei was parked?

I understand Red Bull have protested against Fisichella as he obstructed Coultard. What engine does Red Bull use?

John

[scumbag]

the should have red flagged the session. it was obvious that people would be flying, the red flag prevents them having to.

Schumi knows exactly what he is doing and knew exactly where to stop. just before the pit lane entrance.

i have voted that he was unlucky. unlucky not to take off his front wing, which i assume, would have prevented all the theories.

It isnt the first time hs has used the onboard camera to pretend his is slipping about.

He is a good showman tho. he is making it look like he was having the same problems that massa had right at the beginning. sowing the seeds for the defeat at brigdestones shoulders, if indeed as i expect, Alonso totally blitzes him at the start.

My money is firmly on Alonso winning. and i expect the Mclaren to run long, which means renault have but one choice. flat out from the off. they cannot afford to get held up by the Red car.

a ferrari sandwich with 20 other cars in between.

[glojo]

schumacher will be starting from the back of the grid.

Looks like Bernie Ecclestone must have been locked out of the Inquiry Room. The punishment might not fit the crime (a two race ban would be more fitting)

Ferrari have a superb history in Formula One, but todays antics were out of order.

John

[scumbag]

Fisi drops to tenth by the look of it. altho that wont help DC who could, it seems have got 5th judging by the abilty of the car.

Anyhow, 10 years ago Panis won this event and he started 16th.

[scumbag]

right. a prediction based on the events so far.

the Mclaren of Kimi will be running that bit longer than the 2 in front. which, I assume will give him the edge. this depends of if webber keeps up with alonso or holds up kimi assuming he doesn't drive passed them at the start.

DC needs to pit early. he is not going to get passed at the start and is running light.

So I am going for Kimi 1st and alonso 2nd with monster 3rd, altho is webbers cars is up to it, he could get 3rd.

Button the throw the car at the barriers and stomp off home. Massa will crash. MSC will do a prost and finish 4th or something!

[scumbag]

Originally Posted by JonLittlechild

Regardless of Schumacher's guilt or otherwise, according to the letter of the law Fisichella and Alonso should lose their fastest times as they set them whilst there were double waved yellows on the track... so if I were Renault, I'd keep my head down and keep quiet.

just a point here. You have to significantly reduce your speed in the area of the waved flags. this is easily proved and both could still have set a faster time. The FIA have 16timing sections dotted about round the circuit, add that to the real time telemtry suppplied by renault and overlay them and you would see that they will have reduced their cars speed at this point. There is a regulation that requires teams to have this information available, after a certain Mika used to go passed flat out and lift his arm to suggest he had seen the problem and slown down. Now, where an argument arises, they have to show proof they have come off the throttle and reduced speed.

the section they would have to slow down at was a very slow corner anyway, so if they were normally doing 53mph there, significant slowing would be 45mph, basically the same speed they would do if they were heading into the pits on a slowing down lap.

However, if Alonso had played a better game, like Schumi was, he would have badly postioned his car so that he would have been unable to clearly pass schumi's stricken car, and thus bringing out the red flag! This would have had to have happended as he would effectivly have blocked the circuit. This of course would have added more shame to schumi's problem.

this would then allow renault to demand extra fuel, one whole laps worth in fact, as they would have suggested that they would have carried on, as they did, had the session not beens stopped, and as it would not have been viable to reopen the session, the stewards would have had no option but to allow them another 2.5kg of fuel. this would give the ferraris a bigger headache, as they dont get any fuel allowance as they have lost their times.

more to this than meets the eye.

[glojo]

Originally Posted by scumbag

more to this than meets the eye.

Those that rate schumacher will only use this as further 'proof' that there is a campaign to undermine this ex World Champion.

It made me laugh when he claimed the engine stalled when he tried to engage reverse. When you watch the replay, you can see him manoeuvre the car just so that he misses the wall and the car can carry on in first gear if he had wanted to?

As scumbag has already stated the officials would look at the cars telemetry to see if the driver was lying, or actually telling the truth. The verdict is in and this person has finally been publicly exposed for who he really is.

Sadly this has always been this persons Achilles heel. Way before he came into Formula 1 he was doing similar antics. I believe he crashed into Hakkinan in a lower formula (Formula 2?) just to prevent Hakkinan from winning the championship.

No doubt we can all remember his antics with Damon Hill and the crafty way he made it look like Hill was at fault (Silverstone). I am not referring to the Australian incident where he deliberately rammed Damon.

Yes, I admit to being anti schumacher, but only because I love the SPORT of Formula 1, and as a sports man I give him noi pointe. As a winner though he surely deserves maximum recognition.

On a final note I don't think it is in Alonso's make-up to lower his standards and deliberately block the track? Plus it would take some unbelieveable quick thinking schumacher on the other hand knew he had just got pole and their were faster cars behind him, that was just to bigger a temptation for this cheat (as decided by Formula 1 officials)

John

John

[scumbag]

your right. it was Macau by the way.

altho he did dileberatly drive into Villenerve in japan in '97, which is why he doesnt appear on thats years statistics.

but last year, at the European GP, they have a painted line and loads of run off at the first corner. the drivers are not allowed to race or use this bit as track. in otherwords you cannot go round it to extned the corner. but you can brake into it and then re-join.

On Schumi's camera, he drives straight into the section and round the sweeping corner. he did not make up any spaces, bit he was at racing speed and did avoid the accident that occured on his inside. he twiddled his wheel, just like yesterday, to signify that he was 'out of control'

It is this chink in his armour which prevents him, in my eyes, from being anything other than just a good driver.

but i do like the fact he does think like it. it really is totally 'all about him'. if you race against him, you are in no doubt, he will do whatever it takes.

anyhow, radio 5 live, with TV pics now.

cannot stand James Allen.