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Old 10-11-2016, 10:28 PM   #1
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electrical question

Just turned on a twin tube fluorescent light. Brief flash then nothing.
Other lights on same circuit are ok. As it is twin tube, unlikely to be both tubes at once?
Fitting is about 4 years old.
It is a decorative fitting & will be a PITA to strip down. I also don't have my testing gear at home - can't access the gear until Sunday.

What is the likely fault?
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Old 10-11-2016, 11:12 PM   #2
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Have you got another starter to try?

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Does it have one starter or two? It might also have an electronic ballast without a starter.
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The term 'starter' is a bit of a misnomer since they are really capacitors for power factor correction ( fluorescent tubes are inductive loads with current seriously lagging behind voltage ) and most tubes will generally 'start' without them .

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It's one of these - Linear T5
Electrician I was using at the time fitted it for me and I can remember him swearing about how much of a fiddle it was to fit.
I will have to take it apart..............
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We also have one of those in our kitchen - we had it fitted by the chap who re-wired the house, so I'm afraid I have no idea what's inside it, except to say that it's almost certainly the electronic ballast type, as it comes on a soon as it's switched on. My bet is on a ballast that's 'gone' somehow.
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Just found the fitting instructions, but of course there is no specification to say what is contained inside the fitting
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Can't strip it down until Sunday and at that point I will be able to see the electronic ballast and search for an exact match.
But, as it is a T5 2 x 28w, is this the sort of thing I need?
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Look something like this... https://www.google.ie/search?q=T5+Ba...4xDr0Q_AUIBigB

All depends what you find in there.

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On a related track, I have normal fluorescent batten fittings in the garage which are very slow to fire up (always have been from new). Is there something I can do to make them quicker to start?
IIRC they are 1.50m, 58W
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On a related track, I have normal fluorescent batten fittings in the garage which are very slow to fire up (always have been from new). Is there something I can do to make them quicker to start?
IIRC they are 1.50m, 58W
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not as simple as changing the starter or similar then
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not as simple as changing the starter or similar then
Could be or might need new tubes.
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Could be or might need new tubes.
They were slow from new. Cheap fittings though as they were "only" for the garage.
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Could be or might need new tubes.
as above but the starter will be the cheapest item to replace. you could always break it open and check the condition of the starter bulb. see this YT for an insite into the starter tubes.

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