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Old 25-06-2016, 11:54 PM   #571
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Interesting read from across the pond

Brexit: A Very British Revolution - WSJ
Yes - but written by a Scot who also happens to be editor of the Spectator.

Edit: And his position on Brexit here:

With some sadness, I’ll vote to Leave an undemocratic and decaying institution that stopped helping Europe some time ago

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Old 26-06-2016, 12:03 AM   #572
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Agreed...already stated we are the 5th biggest economy in the world, the worry is dealing with the arrogant culture of Brussels, + they wont want to give to much away to discourage other country's following...

Key for the UK is the calibre of our negotiation team members, they need to be the best in the business, clear objectives, approach and strategic control, to get the best possible deals and agreements ...currently no one in Government stands out to lead this crucial activity

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There's too much at stake not get some sort of agreement.

In particular both sides have a duty to their nationals who are on the wrong side of the split.

My concern is that the the UK has forgotten how to deal properly - and that as a more complex exntity the EU isn't able t deal properly or in a tumely fashion.
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Old 26-06-2016, 12:11 AM   #573
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Key for the UK is the calibre of our negotiation team members, they need to be the best in the business, clear objectives, approach and strategic control, to get the best possible deals and agreements ...currently no one in Government stands out to lead this crucial activity
I don't suppose there are really any experts in this type of thing. Although note that both Algeria and Greenland annexed themselves from the EEC in '62 and '85 respectively (Wiki).

Wondering whether the lead negotiator needs to be in the Government at all. Not suggesting we send somebody like the ex Envoy to the Middle East, but other names of a similar vintage spring to mind.
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Perhaps, rather than politicians, it should be a team comprised of business people and non-business negotiators, eg people from science, academia, etc..? I would suggest MOTP, but don't know how we'd decide upon who?
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The Government certainly need to lead it, but the team in my opinion needs to be 'best fit and expertise' for the job, regardless of what party...the worry is after Dave's last deal, I feel they need to look further afield maybe into the world of global business, not sure how this would work but must be possible as the Government already have high profile business advisors...

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I don't suppose there are really any experts in this type of thing. Although note that both Algeria and Greenland annexed themselves from the EEC in '62 and '85 respectively (Wiki).

Wondering whether the lead negotiator needs to be in the Government at all. Not suggesting we send somebody like the ex Envoy to the Middle East, but other names of a similar vintage spring to mind.

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Old 26-06-2016, 12:24 AM   #576
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Wondering whether the lead negotiator needs to be in the Government at all.
No they don't. I think this is a task where the overall remit is set by the politicians but the actual job of negotiation is for competent bureacrats.
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Perhaps, rather than politicians, it should be a team comprised of business people and non-business negotiators, eg people from science, academia, etc..? I would suggest MOTP, but don't know how we'd decide upon who?

Is there any legal (or constitutional) compulsion that those negotiating/agreeing trade deals be an elected member of parliament I wonder?
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My question was answered just as I asked it....
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Refreshing to see a level headed response from Ms Merkel

Brexit: Merkel says 'no need to be nasty' in leaving talks - BBC News
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Refreshing to see a level headed response from Ms Merkel

Brexit: Merkel says 'no need to be nasty' in leaving talks - BBC News
I'm sure I read we are Germany's biggest customer or certainly one of them very tough times for them too in negotiating the EU punishing us would inadvertently punish Germany too
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I'm sure I read we are Germany's biggest customer or certainly one of them very tough times for them too in negotiating the EU punishing us would inadvertently punish Germany too
Precisely! Maybe they'll tell Juncker to shut it or do one!?
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There has been talk of a need to set up a new ministry to deal with Brexit.

Apparently that task at hand it is quite complex and very time consuming - and to ensure optimal result it will require a senior government minister and will be staffed by experienced civil servants.
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Food for thought

Why the Article 50 notification is important ? Jack of Kent blog
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From The Telegraph:

'One option will be to simply recreate EU laws as British statute. But Civil Service insiders expect a new Brexit government to opt for something much more radical, and to use the opportunity of “throwing off the shackles” to re-regulate Britain.

It means that the Government would have to do three acts simultaneous: negotiate a new deal with Brussels, win a series of major bilateral trade deals around the world, and revise its own governance as EU law recedes.

Running the show would be an effective “Ministry for Brexit”, under a senior minister.

Officials expect the scrapping of EU law could result in an avalanche of new legislation in every corner of Whitehall – perhaps 25 Bills in every Queen’s Speech for a decade.

Hundreds of Treasury lawyers and experts would have to be hired for areas – such as health and safety, financial services and employment – where Britain had lost competence to Brussels. Meanwhile, a Trade Ministry will be required, with hundreds of new negotiators, to establish new deals around the world.'
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