Uninsured won't be able to get fuel. - MBClub UK

SHAUNE55 · 19-03-2012, 02:49 PM

Bad idea because the insurance company has 14 days to add you to the database, so if you just insured the car you would be knackered.

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Mozzer · 19-03-2012, 03:11 PM

Agreed, the workaround would be for the cashier to ask for the temporary cover note (easily forged). This would cause angst towards the cashier and would slow down the process of buying for others.

This idea should be filed along with the square wheel.

renault12ts · 19-03-2012, 03:13 PM

And foreign vehicles?

SHAUNE55 · 19-03-2012, 03:16 PM

I don't see why insurance companies can't put you on the database straight away, it's only a few clicks to do so.
I had a car taken off me by police because I was not on the database after two months, I had all my paperwork with me but the insurance weren't answering their phone.
I got all the costs back from the insurance company.

markjay · 19-03-2012, 03:47 PM

I think it means that uninsured drivers will not be able to get fuel from petrol stations.

No problem in getting fuel from other sources though, such as straight from an insured driver's fuel tank in the dark of night...

davidjpowell · 19-03-2012, 03:49 PM

As above. Daft idea, inconveniences those who follow the law, ignored by those who don't.

I first heard this idea years ago from a manager of a service station. he was keen to reduce drive offs.

markjay · 19-03-2012, 03:52 PM

There are two related issues that I think need to be considered:

1. Drivers on foreign plates are generally exempt from almost everything... there is no effective way of enforcing the 6-months rule, some cars are kept here illegally for years. The same applies, by the way, to UK cars driven in Europe on UK plates for lengthy periods of time.

2. The cost of insuring a young driver is in the region of £3k to £5k... which is (roughly) 15%-25% of the UK average salary. This is insane and tempts people into breaking the law and driving uninsured.

markjay · 19-03-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by davidjpowell

As above. Daft idea, inconveniences those who follow the law, ignored by those who don't.

I first heard this idea years ago from a manager of a service station. he was keen to reduce drive offs.

I agree - not to mention the black market this will create. One lad insures his old banger, then spends the day driving back and forth between the local petrol station and his uninsured mates who wait for him back home with a long tube and a footpump...

markjay · 19-03-2012, 03:55 PM

And another thing.... the petrol station operator can only tell if the car is insured in general terms, but not if the 18 years old lad driving it is actually insured to drive it....

Merc Owner 2B · 19-03-2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by markjay

I think it means that uninsured drivers will not be able to get fuel from petrol stations.

No problem in getting fuel from other sources though, such as straight from an insured driver's fuel tank in the dark of night...

Had to laugh at this !! Nice one.

But having thought for a moment, aren't they already doing this? And then taking their gassed up truck to go and steal some lead roofing or copper wires!

Merc Owner 2B · 19-03-2012, 04:00 PM

It might also see an increase in cloning number plates to ones with insurance. Then simply drive off without paying! So may see an increase in drive offs!

renault12ts · 19-03-2012, 04:42 PM

And what if you want petrol for the lawn mower...how would that work, would you be allowed to put petrol in a can? Or, if you ran out of petrol, how would you fill a can?

moonloops · 19-03-2012, 04:50 PM

The uninsured can pay me £5 a litre to get it for them

markjay · 19-03-2012, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by renault12ts

And what if you want petrol for the lawn mower...how would that work, would you be allowed to put petrol in a can? Or, if you ran out of petrol, how would you fill a can?

Is the lawnmower insured?

markjay · 19-03-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by moonloops

The uninsured can pay me £5 a litre to get it for them

I'm gonna hold you to your word and come back to you once fuel reaches £5.05 per L

19-03-2012, 02:49 PM	#1
SHAUNE55 Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Manchester. Car: '01 E55 : '99 E55 Posts: 143	Uninsured won't be able to get fuel. Bad idea because the insurance company has 14 days to add you to the database, so if you just insured the car you would be knackered. UK Looking to Integrate Cameras to Prevent Uninsured Drivers from Gassing Up \| AutoGuide.com News

19-03-2012, 03:11 PM	#2
Mozzer Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Stratford Upon Avon Car: A5 3.0 TDi Quattro and Ford S-Max Titanium Posts: 414	Agreed, the workaround would be for the cashier to ask for the temporary cover note (easily forged). This would cause angst towards the cashier and would slow down the process of buying for others. This idea should be filed along with the square wheel.

19-03-2012, 03:13 PM	#3
renault12ts Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2009 Car: 2000 S210 E320CDI Avantgarde Posts: 8,933	And foreign vehicles?

19-03-2012, 03:16 PM	#4
SHAUNE55 Banned Threadstarter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Manchester. Car: '01 E55 : '99 E55 Posts: 143	I don't see why insurance companies can't put you on the database straight away, it's only a few clicks to do so. I had a car taken off me by police because I was not on the database after two months, I had all my paperwork with me but the insurance weren't answering their phone. I got all the costs back from the insurance company.

19-03-2012, 03:47 PM	#5
markjay Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London Car: W203 C180K 2006 / Serviced by Olly PCS (BlackC55) / COMAND NTG2.5 retrofitted by Alfie and Richard Posts: 7,043	I think it means that uninsured drivers will not be able to get fuel from petrol stations. No problem in getting fuel from other sources though, such as straight from an insured driver's fuel tank in the dark of night...

19-03-2012, 03:49 PM	#6
davidjpowell Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Doncaster Car: Mercedes E320 CDi W210 & BMW 520d SE Posts: 3,643	As above. Daft idea, inconveniences those who follow the law, ignored by those who don't. I first heard this idea years ago from a manager of a service station. he was keen to reduce drive offs.

19-03-2012, 03:52 PM	#7
markjay Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London Car: W203 C180K 2006 / Serviced by Olly PCS (BlackC55) / COMAND NTG2.5 retrofitted by Alfie and Richard Posts: 7,043	There are two related issues that I think need to be considered: 1. Drivers on foreign plates are generally exempt from almost everything... there is no effective way of enforcing the 6-months rule, some cars are kept here illegally for years. The same applies, by the way, to UK cars driven in Europe on UK plates for lengthy periods of time. 2. The cost of insuring a young driver is in the region of £3k to £5k... which is (roughly) 15%-25% of the UK average salary. This is insane and tempts people into breaking the law and driving uninsured.

19-03-2012, 03:55 PM	#9
markjay Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London Car: W203 C180K 2006 / Serviced by Olly PCS (BlackC55) / COMAND NTG2.5 retrofitted by Alfie and Richard Posts: 7,043	And another thing.... the petrol station operator can only tell if the car is insured in general terms, but not if the 18 years old lad driving it is actually insured to drive it....

19-03-2012, 04:00 PM	#11
Merc Owner 2B Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Leicestershire Car: 2012 ML250 Sport BlueTec Posts: 715	It might also see an increase in cloning number plates to ones with insurance. Then simply drive off without paying! So may see an increase in drive offs!

19-03-2012, 04:42 PM	#12
renault12ts Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2009 Car: 2000 S210 E320CDI Avantgarde Posts: 8,933	And what if you want petrol for the lawn mower...how would that work, would you be allowed to put petrol in a can? Or, if you ran out of petrol, how would you fill a can?

19-03-2012, 04:50 PM	#13
moonloops Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Deira Car: Audi Posts: 2,576	The uninsured can pay me £5 a litre to get it for them

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