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Old 11-12-2016, 10:47 AM   #31
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Old 11-12-2016, 11:02 AM   #32
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I suppose they could run the buses and bin Lorry's on LPG..
The power stations are struggling to supply power now so how will they cope with charging a couple of million vehicle's as well?
I think EV is a bit of a pipe dream. The writings on the wall for diesel, who would have believed they would have banned smoking in pubs but they did!
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:55 PM   #33
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I wonder if the anticipated hike in VED rates next year will factor diesel cars in. Its strange but my 3.0 Bi-Turbo diesel Audi has a lower tax band than my -on order- C43 3.0 AMG Estate which is petrol because it has less Nox emissions etc.. Strange but true!!
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Old 11-12-2016, 01:54 PM   #34
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Its strange but my 3.0 Bi-Turbo diesel Audi has a lower tax band than my -on order- C43 3.0 AMG Estate which is petrol because it has less Nox emissions etc.. Strange but true!!
Nothing strange about it.

VED is based on CO2 emissions, and diesels usually emit lower CO2 than the more environmentally polluting petrol vehicles.
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Old 11-12-2016, 02:12 PM   #35
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Nothing strange about it.

VED is based on CO2 emissions, and diesels usually emit lower CO2 than the more environmentally polluting petrol vehicles.
CO2 is emissions, not pollution. It is affects global warming but has no effect on air quality or health.

While reducing CO2 emissions is a good thing, we must also keep in mind the very real and very immediate issues caused by pollution.
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Old 11-12-2016, 02:13 PM   #36
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.......and of course it's a VAG product so the CO2 figure will be infinitely configurable in software
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Old 11-12-2016, 03:38 PM   #37
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They'll have to put me in prison for a very long time & wrestle the keys off me for my car before I ever have a electric car.

Ill let someone else worry about the planet, I've got better things to do thanks.
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Old 11-12-2016, 05:27 PM   #38
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The power stations are struggling to supply power now so how will they cope with charging a couple of million vehicle's as well?
I think EV is a bit of a pipe dream.
Most EV drivers seem to either charge their cars at night when electricity is abundant, or charge during the day using the power from their solar panels.

EV sales are tiny but they're increasing rapidly. Looks like they might slow down in the US if Trump has his way, but not in China or Northern Europe.
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Old 11-12-2016, 05:38 PM   #39
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They'll have to put me in prison for a very long time & wrestle the keys off me for my car before I ever have a electric car.

Ill let someone else worry about the planet, I've got better things to do thanks.
Forget the planet, EVs are already better than fossil fuel driven vehicles for short urban journeys - cheaper, less wear and tear on the motor, better acceleration, quieter, cleaner. In a few years' time, they might be better for long journeys as well. Fossil fuel driven cars could be an increasingly expensive hobby for enthusiasts...
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Old 12-12-2016, 10:22 PM   #40
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I like diesels but I'm open to a petrol or electric. This year I leased a car through my own limited company. I do about 28k miles a year and mostly 200 mile trips down the motorway. I looked at the options assuming hybrid petrol would be best but their range on electric is poor and then it's onto petrol. The price is also very high. Looked at petrol only but the co2 emissions are higher and so get stung on tax. So from money point of view I took a E220d with the new engine which is brilliant. Where is the governments logic saying diesel particle pollution is killing people but they tax you on co2 not pollution. If they want me to change fuel why don't they give me a tax incentive on petrol instead of diesel until better electric cars come out or I can afford a Tesla.
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My limited experience with hybrids is that they are more suited to urban motoring. Once on the open road they become petrol pure and simple...
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Old 13-12-2016, 09:33 PM   #42
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Where is the governments logic saying diesel particle pollution is killing people but they tax you on co2 not pollution.
It's environmental pressure groups that have forced the Government to take action on diesel fuelled vehicles.

The Government were quite happy with diesel, until the green brigade got a court order.

The case was brought by ClientEarth - a group of environmental lawyers.
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