80mph speed limits, Pah - MBClub UK

st4 · 01-07-2012, 01:29 AM

I was going through old pics of a holiday

Was in Germany

How good would this be to have

100 being in MPH obviously.

Discuss the merits of a 100mph motorway speed limit, if we all kept a safe distance 100mph I feel work work fine.

Red C220 · 01-07-2012, 01:32 AM

Carnage would ensue, deaths would increase as all the idiots that genuinely think this is safe speed to travel at 8am on the M25 all check in for their free Darwin awards.

80mph is ok at certain times of the day in certain conditions, anything above that is not viable on UK roads which are not designed for the purpose.

MOCAŠ · 01-07-2012, 01:38 AM

100mph is already pretty much the default speed on the M40 (when the traffic's moving).

st4 · 01-07-2012, 01:43 AM

On quiet sections of motorway (they do exist north of watford gap) a ton would be fine. Honestly. Motorway speed limits need to be variable, but some quiet bits of the northerly M6, 74, M40 etc all have visibility that would permit 100mph driving.

ringway · 01-07-2012, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MOCAŠ

100mph is already pretty much the default speed on the M40 (when the traffic's moving).

Agreed. In the evening in the summer months with not many vehicles around, the pace is probably the quickest I have encountered.

davidjpowell · 01-07-2012, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ringway

Agreed. In the evening in the summer months with not many vehicles around, the pace is probably the quickest I have encountered.

Wacky races = M40 south of Oxford.

bedwards1966 · 01-07-2012, 03:37 AM

In many situations 100mph or more can be perfectly safe, depending on the conditions. To say there would be carnage is silly.
The trouble is, deciding the conditions. I'm quite happy that my MB which is pretty much the same as the 4.3ltr model which is limited to 155 will be perfectly safe at 120mph, and getting a blow-out at those speeds would probably not result in an accident.
But what about the 17 year old who has just passed his test who goes out in the pouring rain and fog and does that kind of speed in his Corsa/Fiesta/Micra/Focus etc. If something happens then it's likely to be trip to the graveyard.
I can't see it being possible to implement a system where (in good conditions obviously) only experienced drivers can drive faster, in cars that are designed to handle that speed. For that reason it could be a problem.
I'd still rather see it though, would it matter if a few people manage to earn themselves a Darwin award because they can't figure out that their Corsa loses what little safety it has at 70, not 100? Provided they miss me when they flip over on the motorway, I'll be better off and will actually enjoy driving and get there faster with less frustration.

mct_cars · 01-07-2012, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by st4

On quiet sections of motorway (they do exist north of watford gap) a ton would be fine. Honestly. Motorway speed limits need to be variable, but some quiet bits of the northerly M6, 74, M40 etc all have visibility that would permit 100mph driving.

I travel the M6 from the M62 to the A69 often, and there's never anything on it. They built the three lane motorway on the wrong side of the Pennines!

janner · 01-07-2012, 08:22 AM

This how it should look...

renault12ts · 01-07-2012, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bedwards1966

In many situations 100mph or more can be perfectly safe, depending on the conditions. To say there would be carnage is silly.
The trouble is, deciding the conditions. I'm quite happy that my MB which is pretty much the same as the 4.3ltr model which is limited to 155 will be perfectly safe at 120mph, and getting a blow-out at those speeds would probably not result in an accident.
But what about the 17 year old who has just passed his test who goes out in the pouring rain and fog and does that kind of speed in his Corsa/Fiesta/Micra/Focus etc. If something happens then it's likely to be trip to the graveyard.
I can't see it being possible to implement a system where (in good conditions obviously) only experienced drivers can drive faster, in cars that are designed to handle that speed. For that reason it could be a problem.
I'd still rather see it though, would it matter if a few people manage to earn themselves a Darwin award because they can't figure out that their Corsa loses what little safety it has at 70, not 100? Provided they miss me when they flip over on the motorway, I'll be better off and will actually enjoy driving and get there faster with less frustration.

As someone said above, when the de facto limit is already above 70 in many places, conditions allowing, then why raise it.

To believe that your MB is safe at 100mph should you have a blow out is at best a little deluded (and I mean no offence whatsoever).

If an MB has a 4.3 litre engine, is it inherently safe at 120. Of course not...in a crash at that speed it will fall a part as much as any car...especially if its 13 years old.

The idea that the Corsa or other small car is nothing but a death trap is also less than true.

The argument for increased speed limits will never get very far, because roads have so many different users. And because the average UK motorway driver is useless. You may be the best driver in the world...but in company of the useless you are no safer than anyone else.

If lane discipline was to significantly improve over night, then the argument might get somewhere. But it wont...so the limits will stay where they are. So, yes it would be nice to have a higher limit, but the arguments put forward so far will not carry mush water.

SavMan · 01-07-2012, 09:48 AM

I thought we had the safest motorways in Europe and in addition the busiest motorways in Europe?

If you want to risk your lives and those around you why don't you do what many do and take it to a track/airfield/strip where you are in a controlled environment.

renault12ts · 01-07-2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SavMan

I thought we had the safest motorways in Europe and in addition the busiest motorways in Europe?

If you want to risk your lives and those around you why don't you do what many do and take it to a track/airfield/strip where you are in a controlled environment.

I don't know about safest...but compared to driving in say France...we have the most ill disciplined.

The attitude across the channel is that you lose face if you hold up a fast driver, so they tend to overtake and get back to the inner lanes immediately. Whereas the attitude here is, no way hosay, you're not getting past me.

Olivier · 01-07-2012, 10:00 AM

I hate those who stay on the right lane and not even moving at 70mph and this without cars on the left...

MOCAŠ · 01-07-2012, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Olivier

I hate those who stay on the right lane and not even moving at 70mph and this without cars on the left...

We all do.

grober · 01-07-2012, 10:05 AM

100 mph newer well maintained performance cars are easily capable of safely exceeding such speeds --- however very few or their owners/drivers are [ despite their delusions to the contrary] And the fate of even those "chosen few" is in the hands of their fellow drivers of lesser ability with whom they share the road. Take a look at any F1 Grand Prix race to see what carnage ensues when you stick a high density of cars of varying performance and driver ability in close proximity on a road together.

01-07-2012, 01:29 AM	#1
st4 Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: In the driving seat Car: C220cdi tourer Posts: 14,393	80mph speed limits, Pah I was going through old pics of a holiday Was in Germany How good would this be to have 100 being in MPH obviously. Discuss the merits of a 100mph motorway speed limit, if we all kept a safe distance 100mph I feel work work fine.

01-07-2012, 01:32 AM	#2
Red C220 Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Car: 2011 C220 CDI Sport Estate Posts: 1,572	Carnage would ensue, deaths would increase as all the idiots that genuinely think this is safe speed to travel at 8am on the M25 all check in for their free Darwin awards. 80mph is ok at certain times of the day in certain conditions, anything above that is not viable on UK roads which are not designed for the purpose.

01-07-2012, 01:38 AM	#3
MOCAŠ Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West London Car: SLK Posts: 7,216	100mph is already pretty much the default speed on the M40 (when the traffic's moving).

01-07-2012, 01:43 AM	#4
st4 Banned Threadstarter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: In the driving seat Car: C220cdi tourer Posts: 14,393	On quiet sections of motorway (they do exist north of watford gap) a ton would be fine. Honestly. Motorway speed limits need to be variable, but some quiet bits of the northerly M6, 74, M40 etc all have visibility that would permit 100mph driving.

01-07-2012, 03:37 AM	#7
bedwards1966 Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Scarborough, North Yorshire Car: 1999 C230K estate (sport) Posts: 97	In many situations 100mph or more can be perfectly safe, depending on the conditions. To say there would be carnage is silly. The trouble is, deciding the conditions. I'm quite happy that my MB which is pretty much the same as the 4.3ltr model which is limited to 155 will be perfectly safe at 120mph, and getting a blow-out at those speeds would probably not result in an accident. But what about the 17 year old who has just passed his test who goes out in the pouring rain and fog and does that kind of speed in his Corsa/Fiesta/Micra/Focus etc. If something happens then it's likely to be trip to the graveyard. I can't see it being possible to implement a system where (in good conditions obviously) only experienced drivers can drive faster, in cars that are designed to handle that speed. For that reason it could be a problem. I'd still rather see it though, would it matter if a few people manage to earn themselves a Darwin award because they can't figure out that their Corsa loses what little safety it has at 70, not 100? Provided they miss me when they flip over on the motorway, I'll be better off and will actually enjoy driving and get there faster with less frustration.

01-07-2012, 09:48 AM	#11
SavMan Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: London Car: E55K AMG Posts: 2,108	I thought we had the safest motorways in Europe and in addition the busiest motorways in Europe? If you want to risk your lives and those around you why don't you do what many do and take it to a track/airfield/strip where you are in a controlled environment.

01-07-2012, 10:00 AM	#13
Olivier Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Edinburgh Car: E300 TD Posts: 1,563	I hate those who stay on the right lane and not even moving at 70mph and this without cars on the left...

01-07-2012, 10:05 AM	#15
grober Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Perth, Scotland Car: W204 C200CDI Estate Posts: 14,430	100 mph newer well maintained performance cars are easily capable of safely exceeding such speeds --- however very few or their owners/drivers are [ despite their delusions to the contrary] And the fate of even those "chosen few" is in the hands of their fellow drivers of lesser ability with whom they share the road. Take a look at any F1 Grand Prix race to see what carnage ensues when you stick a high density of cars of varying performance and driver ability in close proximity on a road together.

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