HID Xenon convertion

hercules · 06-02-2010, 06:26 PM

I every one , I know this has been talked about before,, but I had to experiment my self about this convertion.
Just comeback from a short trip abroad and I came accross of a set of HID Xenon, so I decide to gevit a try.

First of all upon installation the CPU did not report any fault on the display without changing the coding to xenon present.

But when I'm driving I get itermittent flickering ( maybe on flick every 10 to 20 seconds randomly). Maybe this will be solved if I change the coding to present, I do not know ???
I will try this sometime tomorrow, but meanwile I have got the same kit on my workbench for testing ,and I have found out that at switch on it takes about 4.6Amps wich is aout the equivalent of a 55W bulb and within a minute from switch on it goes down to 3.6Amps.

So is this the normal process for a xenon ?

Is it really advisable to change tha coding ?

Do you think it is the wrong coding causing the flickering?

momomo · 06-02-2010, 07:23 PM

Are they original xenon lamps? And yes they do need to be coded to the car other wise they will keep flickering as the car needs to told it has xenons fitted...this will cure the flickering problem.

hercules · 06-02-2010, 07:34 PM

Thanks MOMOMO
If this is the case I had in mind to code them
I will do that tomorrow and I hope this will solve the flickering

andy27168 · 06-02-2010, 08:29 PM

Hi,
As the Xenons control boxes units are an inductive load, they will intially draw more current on start up then settle to a steady current draw, so yes what you are seeing is normal, though regarding the coding issue, all your cars computer wants to see is the correct load ie 55W so if you were to utilise a couple of resistors, you would negate the need for coding.

momomo · 06-02-2010, 09:31 PM

Hi Andy, so would that actually work? Im quite interested to know, have you done this before without problems?

andy27168 · 06-02-2010, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by momomo

Hi Andy, so would that actually work? Im quite interested to know, have you done this before without problems?

No i have never done it, but the cars computer sees only the load, that could be anything, motor, bulb, heater etc. so all you have to do is fool the computer that its still running a 55W load.

N7OGP · 07-02-2010, 12:03 AM

http://www.xenonshop.co.uk/vb_product.php

http://www.xenonshop.co.uk/vb_installg.php

uhayat · 07-02-2010, 08:27 PM

I'm also going to install HID's in my w211 - Can the coding be done through a normal STAR diagnoser? or is the developer mode needed? Anyone know which menu this option will come under?
Usman

A-AvantGarde · 07-02-2010, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uhayat

I'm also going to install HID's in my w211 - Can the coding be done through a normal STAR diagnoser? or is the developer mode needed? Anyone know which menu this option will come under?
Usman

Normal STAR is all that's needed, you just need it to be get it set to state XENON=PRESENT

Is that going to be possible for you to do easily in Pakistan?

uhayat · 07-02-2010, 09:17 PM

Yes - loads of HID kits available here - I found some made by Bosch as well. An indy here is a friend and was thinking I will go to him and get the coding done. As always, he will hook it up and tell me to do it myself. Hence the need to know which menu/control unit to look under.

I'm pretty sure the stealership will not do it for me.

Usman

hercules · 08-02-2010, 08:20 PM

No more flickering after coding to Xenon Present

I thank all members for their Imputs to this Thread

NormanC · 09-02-2010, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy27168

As the Xenons control boxes units are an inductive load, they will intially draw more current on start up then settle to a steady current draw......

Sorry to be a pedant but surely a higher start current then dropping is indicative of a capacitive load rather than inductive?

Remembering my A level physics an inductance produces an EMF which opposes the change of current hence the current would rise sowly to its normal level. However, with a capacitive load there is a higher start current as you need to charge the capacitors; the current then slowly drops as there is no longer any need to put energy into the capacitors.

Or am I totally wrong???

NormanC

horsesuitedfool · 09-02-2010, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hercules

No more flickering after coding to Xenon Present

I thank all members for their Imputs to this Thread

Hercules, can you let me know how good the results are and if there is any real glare etc from them now?? I am going to fit a kit on my W203 but wanted to know your thoughts on it.....cheers...

hercules · 09-02-2010, 12:43 PM

I'm very please with the glare, I used 6000K bulbs in wich I belive it is a pure white beam.
I did not go for a high Temperature that gives sligtly to the blue

horsesuitedfool · 09-02-2010, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hercules

I'm very please with the glare, I used 6000K bulbs in wich I belive it is a pure white beam.
I did not go for a high Temperature that gives sligtly to the blue

Yes i was going to go for 6000k as its the optimum light output, i was just wondering about the possible glare etc. You got any pics of it??

06-02-2010, 06:26 PM	#1
hercules Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dartford,Kent Car: W203 2006 180K Sport Edition Posts: 100	HID Xenon convertion I every one , I know this has been talked about before,, but I had to experiment my self about this convertion. Just comeback from a short trip abroad and I came accross of a set of HID Xenon, so I decide to gevit a try. First of all upon installation the CPU did not report any fault on the display without changing the coding to xenon present. But when I'm driving I get itermittent flickering ( maybe on flick every 10 to 20 seconds randomly). Maybe this will be solved if I change the coding to present, I do not know ??? I will try this sometime tomorrow, but meanwile I have got the same kit on my workbench for testing ,and I have found out that at switch on it takes about 4.6Amps wich is aout the equivalent of a 55W bulb and within a minute from switch on it goes down to 3.6Amps. So is this the normal process for a xenon ? Is it really advisable to change tha coding ? Do you think it is the wrong coding causing the flickering?

06-02-2010, 08:29 PM	#4
andy27168 Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Southampton Car: W202 230K 97, C43 AMG 99. Posts: 902	Hi, As the Xenons control boxes units are an inductive load, they will intially draw more current on start up then settle to a steady current draw, so yes what you are seeing is normal, though regarding the coding issue, all your cars computer wants to see is the correct load ie 55W so if you were to utilise a couple of resistors, you would negate the need for coding. __________________ Andy, Current,W202,grn/blk met 1997"P"C230K, Sport, manual ,135,000 miles,Lorinser/Bilstein shox, K&N, mirror indicators,Illuminated sills, MB Illuminated Mirror Sun Visors, auto dimming RVM. Also Current, W202,grn/blk met 1999"T"C43 AMG Sport, Parktronic,Retro fitted so far,W210 face lift folding,blinking&dimming mirrors, MB Illuminated Mirror Sun Visors, electric rear blind, auto dimming RVM, OEM colour coded door handles, headlamp wash/wipe, and OEM Zenons c/w levelling.

07-02-2010, 12:03 AM	#7
N7OGP Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sunderland Car: W210 CDi 2002 Posts: 104	http://www.xenonshop.co.uk/vb_product.php http://www.xenonshop.co.uk/vb_installg.php Last edited by N7OGP; 07-02-2010 at 12:05 AM.

07-02-2010, 08:27 PM	#8
uhayat Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pakistan Car: W211 E220 CDI Posts: 56	I'm also going to install HID's in my w211 - Can the coding be done through a normal STAR diagnoser? or is the developer mode needed? Anyone know which menu this option will come under? Usman __________________ 2005 - E200 Kompressor 2003 - C180 Kompressor 1995 - W202 C250D with Wald Kit 1987 - 200 - W124 1972 - 230 - W114 Limo

07-02-2010, 09:17 PM	#10
uhayat Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pakistan Car: W211 E220 CDI Posts: 56	Yes - loads of HID kits available here - I found some made by Bosch as well. An indy here is a friend and was thinking I will go to him and get the coding done. As always, he will hook it up and tell me to do it myself. Hence the need to know which menu/control unit to look under. I'm pretty sure the stealership will not do it for me. Usman __________________ 2005 - E200 Kompressor 2003 - C180 Kompressor 1995 - W202 C250D with Wald Kit 1987 - 200 - W124 1972 - 230 - W114 Limo

06-02-2010, 07:23 PM	#2
momomo Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Surrey Posts: 510	Are they original xenon lamps? And yes they do need to be coded to the car other wise they will keep flickering as the car needs to told it has xenons fitted...this will cure the flickering problem.

06-02-2010, 07:34 PM	#3
hercules Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dartford,Kent Car: W203 2006 180K Sport Edition Posts: 100	Thanks MOMOMO If this is the case I had in mind to code them I will do that tomorrow and I hope this will solve the flickering

06-02-2010, 09:31 PM	#5
momomo Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Surrey Posts: 510	Hi Andy, so would that actually work? Im quite interested to know, have you done this before without problems?

08-02-2010, 08:20 PM	#11
hercules Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dartford,Kent Car: W203 2006 180K Sport Edition Posts: 100	No more flickering after coding to Xenon Present I thank all members for their Imputs to this Thread Last edited by hercules; 08-02-2010 at 08:23 PM.

09-02-2010, 12:43 PM	#14
hercules Hardcore MB Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dartford,Kent Car: W203 2006 180K Sport Edition Posts: 100	I'm very please with the glare, I used 6000K bulbs in wich I belive it is a pure white beam. I did not go for a high Temperature that gives sligtly to the blue

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