TV video in motion - Again

[Alfie]

:(

I have had a couple of requests lately from members asking me to enable TV/video in motion. I have even had one member assure me that he/she will take full responsibility for it and would I please reconsider.

Here is my reply;

'Hi,

Sorry but we have a strict company policy that we will never enable it.

One day, it could cause someone to die and there is no price that will buy that service from us.

Regards,
'

So the purpose of this thread is for those who search for TV / Video in motion to save them asking us.

We do not mean to cause offence or upset to anyone but this is a strict policy so please dont ask.

[prprandall51]

Glad to see your business is so ethical, Alfie. I raise my hat to you.

But you needn't have worried - another thread has just started up with someone offering to enable DVD in motion for forum members.....:crazy:

[oldcro]

Glad to see your business is so ethical, Alfie. I raise my hat to you.

But you needn't have worried - another thread has just started up with someone offering to enable DVD in motion for forum members.....:crazy:

Could not see the mentioned thread. Hopefully Moderators have removed it and the member concerned.

Good for you Alfie, top man.

[MBManInKen]

It's always good to see a business behaving responsibly. Well done and keep up the good work! :)

[E300dave]

top man alfie

[sweeney]

nothing I like better than watching re-reuns of The Dukes of Hazard on long motorway runs... just need them horns !

[chrispy]

Very commendable of you my friend.

[sweeney]

thanks, are you a D of H fan too ?

[chrispy]

A Daisy Duke fan definately (from years ago obviously). She was enough of a distraction for anyone I think :D

[sweeney]

A Daisy Duke fan definately (from years ago obviously). She was enough of a distraction for anyone I think :D

Yup, I have her name, Daisy, tattoo'd

The wife hates it ! :crazy:

[prprandall51]

Yup, I have her name, Daisy, tattoo'd
The wife hates it ! :crazy:

I am sorry to hear that. I can't imagine what that must be like to live with - after all, "Daisy Duke of Hazard County" only requires 2.75 inches to be displayed in 14pt Arial:(

[sweeney]

I am sorry to hear that. I can't imagine what that must be like to live with - after all, "Daisy Duke of Hazard County" only requires 2.75 inches to be displayed in 14pt Arial:(


Hee hee :o


It's not about size it's .... how you use it ! ( so I tell her)

... like I said the wife hates it !!:) :) :)

For all you older fans and the young set too.. old n new

http://i32.tinypic.com/sbrjuc.jpg

[prprandall51]

It has taken just 11 posts to get from "TV in motion" to here. Awesome!

[sweeney]

It needed something other than an endless string of sychophantic back slapping for Alfie's selling stance.:)

[prprandall51]

It needed something other than an endless string of sychophantic back slapping for Alfie's selling stance.:)

Hey! Easy Tiger. "TV in motion" is an emotive subject round here.

I, for one, don't want me or my loved ones mown down by a moron watching a film out of the corner of their eye when they should be watching the road ahead. Despite this, a lot of people are ready to pay someone like Alfie (a Comand expert) plenty of money to activate it. By turning such business down, Alfie is losing out on revenue and he gets nothing in return - except the ability to sleep soundly at night. I personally think that's worth acknowledging. Alfie doesn't need a thread of praise - he gets plenty of that on more technical threads where he offers specific help to people.

Now, back to the picture of those Duke girls.

[sweeney]

I havent knocked Alfie's selling stance, and hopefully anyone can see my refs to watching re-runs of T D of H were tongue in cheek, the thread just needed lifting beyond where it was going..

http://i26.tinypic.com/2r4sth4.jpg

[prprandall51]

I havent knocked Alfie's selling stance, and hopefully anyone can see my refs to watching re-runs of T D of H were tongue in cheek, the thread just needed lifting beyond where it was going..


Sorry if I appeared aggressive. I knew you weren't watching D of H on the move - nobody could have Daisy on screen and hope to keep their eyes on the road. I just don't like to think of myself as a sycophant, that's all.:)

Philip

[sweeney]

fair play... my choice of word was OTT there as well...:o

back to Daisy's legs..

[amwebby]

Under Regulation 109 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, it is an offence to drive a motor vehicle on a road if the driver is in such a position as to be able to see, whether directly or by reflection, a television screen showing anything other than information:

(a) about the state of the vehicle or equipment;
(b) about the location of the vehicle and the road on which it is located;
(c) to assist the driver to see the road adjacent to the vehicle;
(d) to assist the driver to reach his destination.

Presumably (a) covers the information shown by CD and MP3 Players?

Interestingly the regulations don't specify a speed at which this becomes illegal, which presumably makes the MB default of 5 mph itself illegal.

[BTB 500]

Under Regulation 109 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, it is an offence to drive a motor vehicle on a road if the driver is in such a position as to be able to see, whether directly or by reflection, a television screen ...

Hmm, I think that wording needs to be looked at! AFAIK "television" implies reception of a transmitted signal, which playing a DVD wouldn't be.

"Display screen" would be more watertight, I reckon.

[amwebby]

I also note it is an offense to drive like that but not an offense to have your vehicle so equipped.

Some would say that is a moot point but I did read of an insurance company that refused a payout on the grounds that video in motion was enabled for a DVD player when the driver could not have been in a position to see anything as there was no DVD in the unit.

[glojo]

Hmm, I think that wording needs to be looked at! AFAIK "television" implies reception of a transmitted signal, which playing a DVD wouldn't be.

"Display screen" would be more watertight, I reckon.I am 200% behind Alfie's stance and we have all read about cases where video's were being played in a DVD player which was in full view of the driver but..................... Although they slam into a parked car, or pedestrian; THEY WERE NOT WATCHING THE VIDEO. They usually get let off, and it is usually deemed 'a lapse of concentration!' :mad: :mad: :mad: :devil:

I cannot understand why modern, very complex navigation systems are allowed to display the graphical content whilst the vehicle is in motion, and I can never understand how people have the front to pretend the video..........

'is not for me, it's for my children!'

They could at least be honest and not pretend.

If they want to listen to the soundtrack, then they are not silly; they will know it is just the video that switches off, but never let a feeble excuse get in the way of an attempted illegal act.

Yes I break the speed limit, yes it might be deemed hypocritical to be selective in what laws I want to comply with, but video in motion is that one step too many.

Well done Alfie and hopefully well done Richard.

Dukes of Hazard (http://ringtones.mobilefun.co.uk/real-tones/13025_52-Dukes-Of-Hazzard---Dixie-Horn.htm)horns.:devil: :D

Can you get one of those toy type sirens that fasten onto the dash. These gizzmo's play an assortment of wails, tunes, space invader type noises which can only be heard inside the cab! :devil: :D :D .

Regards
John

[sweeney]

I might settle for a DVD of Dixie airhorns playing that I can watch whilst eating up the motorway miles...

[oldcro]

I cannot understand why modern, very complex navigation systems are allowed to display the graphical content whilst the vehicle is in motion, and I can never understand how people have the front to pretend the video..........


Regards
John
(snipped)

The navigation screen is deemed to show information the driver would glance at, like any other instrument the driver would need to see (like the speedo or warning lights etc.). Video or TV screens are designed to be watched not glanced at, thus the differences.
Just my little input.

Cheers
oldcro

[crockers]

I am 200% behind Alfie's stance .

Regards
John

How? I can accept 100% - but anything over 100% is impossible... sorry for being pedantic -- but it's getting too common to use the "he gave 110%" etc and we all know you can't.



Crockers 101% P*ssed off with Miss Using the English Language Teacher....:D

[sweeney]

that would be mis-using I take it :o

[crockers]

Yup, I have her name, Daisy, tattoo'd

The wife hates it ! :crazy:

Get your wife to change her name to Daisy.................. sorted..:D

[sweeney]

well she is a cow... so that's a start !

[crockers]

that would be mis-using I take it :o

No .. my old English Teacher


Miss Using...:D








I hate it when I have to explain my jokes..

[glojo]

(snipped)

The navigation screen is deemed to show information the driver would glance at, like any other instrument the driver would need to see (like the speedo or warning lights etc.). Video or TV screens are designed to be watched not glanced at, thus the differences.
Just my little input.

Cheers
oldcroI would like to agree but read the posts about folks wanting 'Bird's eye' view or 3D graphics. The very latest Japanese systems are showing real live footage of the area, or if the shop is a Woolworth's, then the image would show that actual shop. They are getting more and more detailed with ever advancing graphical replication.

A glance is about seeing if an arrow points left or right, it is not about extremely complex imagery. What's the difference between this and looking at a prepared video footage of finding a location?

I'm in favour of clear, precise, accurate verbal directions, and like the idea of a heads up presentation of a left, or right directional arrow that will confirm the verbal instructions but I struggle to see the difference between these very latest, highly detailed, complex graphical representations of local topography.

Regards
John

[sweeney]

No .. my old English Teacher


Miss Using...:D








I hate it when I have to explain my jokes..

I can see why she had an effect on you


http://i27.tinypic.com/vivo.jpg

[crockers]

I want detention...........

I NEED detention...........:D

[Howard]

Where'd you get that picture ?

And why is it so small ? ;)

[BTB 500]

I'm in favour of clear, precise, accurate verbal directions, and like the idea of a heads up presentation of a left, or right directional arrow that will confirm the verbal instructions but I struggle to see the difference between these very latest, highly detailed, complex graphical representations of local topography.

I agree that you don't need complex graphics, but equally simple directional arrows (as COMAND displays in the instrument cluster) can be less than clear at some types of junction.

The latest TomToms switch automatically to a special "lane guidance view" as you approach motorway junctions etc. (middle screen below ... the green arrow flashes):

http://www.tomtom.com/lib/img/reasons/reasons/ALG_infographic.gif

[Brian WH]

A glance is about seeing if an arrow points left or right, it is not about extremely complex imagery. What's the difference between this and looking at a prepared video footage of finding a location?

Regards
John

You can of course display it in front of you, using the speedometer display.:rolleyes: You then don't have to glance to the Comand screen.;)

[glojo]

You can of course display it in front of you, using the speedometer display.:rolleyes: You then don't have to glance to the Comand screen.;)
I think we are aware of that :rolleyes:

The COMAND screen is certainly not in the top ten of complex imagery, but it still makes me think about what is, and is perhaps not acceptable. ;)

[sweeney]

back to topic...

Please stop digressing or ALL your posts will be deleted.:crazy: :crazy:

[crockers]

back to topic...

Please stop digressing or ALL your posts will be deleted.:crazy: :crazy:

Are you sure you're not a headmaster ??? Or is that further digression??:confused:

[Brian WH]

Are you sure you're not a headmaster ??? Or is that further digression??:confused:

You aught to know better, you have been on here long enough.:rolleyes:

[Shude]

So if I fit a "headless" aftermarket satnav and want to use the comand screen for the video output can I still have video in motion enabled please?

[DansSlk]

I agree with the OP 100% but in your case i think thats exception worthy.

If you get no joy enabling it then you can either remove the speed signal or you can buy modules that transmit the correct DAS commands to the COMAND when you plug them into the diagnostic socket.

[oldcro]

I would like to agree but read the posts about folks wanting 'Bird's eye' view or 3D graphics. The very latest Japanese systems are showing real live footage of the area, or if the shop is a Woolworth's, then the image would show that actual shop. They are getting more and more detailed with ever advancing graphical replication.

A glance is about seeing if an arrow points left or right, it is not about extremely complex imagery. What's the difference between this and looking at a prepared video footage of finding a location?

I'm in favour of clear, precise, accurate verbal directions, and like the idea of a heads up presentation of a left, or right directional arrow that will confirm the verbal instructions but I struggle to see the difference between these very latest, highly detailed, complex graphical representations of local topography.

Regards
John

Agree or not John, it is the law that allowed navigation screens in vehicles under the construction and use regulations (I didn't make it up). As for the latest Japanese systems showing live footage of the area, I cannot comment but is such a system legal in this country?

[glojo]

Agree or not John, it is the law that allowed navigation screens in vehicles under the construction and use regulations (I didn't make it up). As for the latest Japanese systems showing live footage of the area, I cannot comment but is such a system legal in this country?Many apologies if you thought I was disagreeing with you; that is not the case and I accept what your saying. I have no idea what is legal and what is not regarding the very latest technology and I am simply saying the law is an ass. Just look at the image posted by BTB500. What a complex item, and it might be straight forward for someone that knows the route, but that is not what these systems are about, they are aids to those that might be travelling a route for the first time.

Navigation systems are getting more complex and are at the stage where they are possibly ahead of the current legislation, are they legal? Navigation systems are, so I see no reason why anyone can differentiate and if they do where is the line drawn? We are all but at the stage of real-time footage being displayed and that must surely be video, but I can hear the tills jingling as legal experts debate what is and is not acceptable??

John

[amwebby]

Agree or not John, it is the law that allowed navigation screens in vehicles under the construction and use regulations (I didn't make it up). As for the latest Japanese systems showing live footage of the area, I cannot comment but is such a system legal in this country?

As the act allows for the use of a television screen to show information:

(b) about the location of the vehicle and the road on which it is located;
(c) to assist the driver to see the road adjacent to the vehicle;

I think the answer is yes.

[oldcro]

As with the law and new technologies it will take an accident followed by a test case to establish what is legal or not. Bearing in mind the driving without due care does cover most infringments.

[glojo]

As with the law and new technologies it will take an accident followed by a test case to establish what is legal or not. Bearing in mind the driving without due care does cover most infringments.
:D :D We have gone full circle:devil:

A year or so ago, I dared to suggest that due care, or reasonable consideration for other road users will cover most driver errors. ;)

Regards
John