TMC yes or no?

[evdok]

I have read numerous threads & had PM's regarding TMC with 5.1 version DVD, basicaly will TMC work with V5.1 DVD?:confused:

[masqueraid]

Yes

[evdok]

Just shows dealers speak out there backsides i was told last year it was not possible!!
I shall be ringing merc of worcester in the morning.:devil:

[evdok]

Yes

Just had a call from dealer and TMC is not available on version 5.1!!!!:mad:

[glojo]

Just had a call from dealer and TMC is not available on version 5.1!!!!:mad:
If you are talking about the E-class, then you are being fed a load of cobblers. Has the dealer got any E-class available on the forecourt and if so check them out to see what versions they have and hey presto..... Your answer.

Version 5 was the first that contained the necessary UK LICENCE

Different countries, different regulations

:devil: :D It's all your fault for chipping such a nice car and DVD in motion

John

[evdok]

If you are talking about the E-class, then you are being fed a load of cobblers. Has the dealer got any E-class available on the forecourt and if so check them out to see what versions they have and hey presto..... Your answer.

Version 5 was the first that contained the necessary UK LICENCE

Different countries, different regulations

:devil: :D It's all your fault for chipping such a nice car and DVD in motion

John

thats the second dealer thats said its not possible as for chipping my car put your money where your mouth is:D

[glojo]

thats the second dealer thats said its not possible as for chipping my car put your money where your mouth is:D??? Lots of money and a mouth?;)

John

[DansSlk]

John's right.

5.1 will give you TMC

[evdok]

??? Lots of money and a mouth?;)

John

lol :D

[evdok]

John's right.

5.1 will give you TMC

is tmc on the disc or unit?

[glojo]

is tmc on the disc or unit?The TMC feature is within the COMAND, the authorising licence is on the disc. Version 5 was the first disc that authorised the activation of TMC for the 211 type COMAND system in the UK as per my previous post.

John

[DansSlk]

The TMC feature is within the COMAND, the authorising licence is on the disc. Version 5 was the first disc that authorised the activation of TMC for the 211 type COMAND system in the UK as per my previous post.

John
Ditto

The car has had all the hardware for this since build but it was never authorized in the UK until a little while back

[television]

I know that it is not the same thing but the TMC does not work on my COMMAND2 as it has a fault, the rest of it works ok

[evdok]

thanx for the reply guys but im stuck in the middle now! what can i say to the dealer?

[glojo]

thanx for the reply guys but im stuck in the middle now! what can i say to the dealer?
I think tact and diplomacy is your best bet.

First off have you got a legitimate version of version 5 or newer?

I note you have video in motion and I'm biting my lip on this and will merely ask, can this possibly be a side effect that might be causing these issues? The COMAND has been adapted to disallow this 'feature' and it needs instructions to activate it.

If you have version five or newer and your adamant your tampering has not caused this issue then complain, but be honest and confess to dabbling with the unit as it might help resolve your problem.

The dealers are all incorrect in saying version 5 or above will not display TMC information in the UK on 211's with a factory installed COMAND.

I have been careful with my wording and no doubt a properly installed upgrade COMAND system will work in exactly the same way.

John

[evdok]

thanks,

when i bought the car 14mths ago i instructed them to enable TMC, they told me it cant be done on the version I've got(5.1 original) the DVD in motion was activated by my self(got equipment) 2 mths ago so thats not the prob besides I'm not having any probs with the unit at all I'm just being told its not possible with the DVD I've got.:confused:

[DieselE]

thanx for the reply guys but im stuck in the middle now! what can i say to the dealer?

That you know someone on a Mercedes forum who installed Version 5.1 as a straight upgrade from the dealer installed Version 4.1 and has been using TMC quite happily since June 2006.

If Version 5.1 doesn't work I'll need to take my car in to be fixed. It's been showing me little red and yellow cars on the COMAND screen and routeing me around traffic jams for eighteen months. This is obviously a serious fault as far as your local dealer is concerned. :D

[evdok]

oh well back on the blower:devil:

Thanks all:bannana:

[glojo]

thanks,

when i bought the car 14mths ago i instructed them to enable TMC, they told me it cant be done on the version I've got(5.1 original) the DVD in motion was activated by my self(got equipment) 2 mths ago so thats not the prob besides I'm not having any probs with the unit at all I'm just being told its not possible with the DVD I've got.:confused:In a way the dealer was right??:confused: They cannot activate TMC, Alfie cannot activate TMC....... The COMAND unit needs a code to activate this option. The code is wrote on the DVD of version 5 or above. As soon as the DVD installs it automatically activates without outside assistance, but to see it we need to press the correct button. If therre is no TMC information then it cannot display it?

It would be wrong for me to comment on your modification as I have no knowledge on this illegal subject.

Our car went from 4.1 to 5, then 5.1 and now it has the latest disc and we have no problems. I would still go back to the dealer and ask to look at any older 211's that have COMAND and if needs be insert your DVD into them. If the disc is a legitimate one and we accept it is, then I assure you it will work.

You have a problem with your COMAND!:o :o Although I've not checked to see if there is a setting that can switch this feature off! :)

Regards
John

[evdok]

What year is your car? is it e class?

[evdok]

That you know someone on a Mercedes forum who installed Version 5.1 as a straight upgrade from the dealer installed Version 4.1 and has been using TMC quite happily since June 2006.

If Version 5.1 doesn't work I'll need to take my car in to be fixed. It's been showing me little red and yellow cars on the COMAND screen and routeing me around traffic jams for eighteen months. This is obviously a serious fault as far as your local dealer is concerned. :D

What year is you car?

[glojo]

What year is your car? is it e class?2004 and as per the signature :)

Regards
John

Edit
Just seen your second post sorry but you can now say there are numerous owners but do they have DVD in Motion?

[evdok]

Maybe its the command version mine being a Dec03?

[glojo]

Maybe its the command version mine being a Dec03?
Definitely not.
Mine is a January 04 build date and the COMAND was not altered.

John

[culpano]

TMC is useless but apparently there is a new system which shares data from motorists on the road which will cover all roads in the near future.

[toby1]

TMC is useless but apparently there is a new system which shares data from motorists on the road which will cover all roads in the near future.

Sounds promising.

I have to say I've been disappointed with the TMC.

[DansSlk]

Let me just check I'm understanding this correctly?

You have V5.1 but your not getting any TMC?

A few things spring to mind -

Is the disk legit? (You'd be surprised)

Is the navi processor up to date and functioning correctly?

Is the headunit up to date and functioning correctly? (You don't need the latest firmware release but the newer the better)

Are you getting TMC messages valid in your area? (Select TMC on the map display and you should get a UK wide message list)

Can you receive the TMC carrier station in your area?

Is the audio gateway up to date and functioning correctly?

What I'd probably do just to rule it out would be set your headunit back to factory specs and then sort the TMC when its working then re-enable TV in motion.

If you have a DAS run the car past it see what (if any) codes it can find, if your navi tuner is ronnied for instance then you wont be getting the data you need.

[glojo]

TMC is useless but apparently there is a new system which shares data from motorists on the road which will cover all roads in the near future.
I think that a bit unfair, it might not be brilliant but without a shadow of a doubt it has saved me untold time in traffic jams, and when I once thought "TMC is uselees" :devil: :) and decided I knew better...... For the next two hours of being stuck in a traffic jam I had to put up with my wife giving it the, "If only you had done what the TMC suggested!" You might think it useless and I respect your opinion BUT, I prefer having TMC over not having it.

As you can see Dan is the expert and thankfully we are singing from the same song sheet. :)

John

[steve.link]

My E320 (May 05 build) came with a ver 4.1 map disk and TMC did not work.

I had access to a copy VER 5.0 disk which enabled the TMC by simply placing the new map disk in the Navi Unit in the boot. All worked fine except traffic icons on the wrong side of the road (another isssue!).

Purchased a brand new VER 5.1 map disk and all worked exactly the same. There was a MB recall on all offcial VER 5.0 disks but I don't know what the exact problem was - the only difference I ever found was updated POI data for the MB dealers - but it was still out of date!!

My HU software was 9.390 Build 17/04 - Pt No W211 589 00 22 00.

This allows access to the engineering menu and I did run both TMC and "video in motion" at the same time.

When I upgarded the HU software to 15.130 Build 51/05 Pt No W211 589 10 22 00, I lost access to the engineering menu and Video in motion but the TMC icons were corrected to display on the correct side of the road.

The latest HU software 21.090 Build 30/06 adds ETA to the front screen.

There is also a navi unit S/W update 1.91 PT No W220 589 04 22 00 - I have applied this but have no idea what is does

does this help??

[DansSlk]

The navi processor upgrade removes a few bugs that can cause the system to lock up and not allow you to eject the disk or use the navigation.

You get an error message when that happens so its a good idea to apply it if you can even if you can't see obvious results.

[masqueraid]

evdok, if you have the case for 5.1 the back cover clearly shows the TMC coverage supported by the disk (including GB). I would ask your dealer why TMC can't be activated on your car.

Please post their response

One bit of information which got alarm bells ringing however was ... DVD in motion was activated by my self(got equipment) 2 mths ago

What equipment was this???

[btw you can have video in motion enabled at the same time as TMC although I have only checked this while stationary]

[evdok]

My apologies to everyone who posted on this thread, I've just checked my disk and its 4.1:o i must have been thinking about the time i was going to upgrade to 5.1, but I'm 95% sure i had 5.1 and was thinking to purchase 6.1.

It might be a good idea to check your disc's once your cars leave the garages from repairs & services i definitely will from now on:(

[evdok]

evdok, if you have the case for 5.1 the back cover clearly shows the TMC coverage supported by the disk (including GB). I would ask your dealer why TMC can't be activated on your car.

Please post their response

One bit of information which got alarm bells ringing however was ...

What equipment was this???

[btw you can have video in motion enabled at the same time as TMC although I have only checked this while stationary]


PM sent:)

[andy_cyp]

My apologies to everyone who posted on this thread, I've just checked my disk and its 4.1:o i must have been thinking about the time i was going to upgrade to 5.1, but I'm 95% sure i had 5.1 and was thinking to purchase 6.1.

It might be a good idea to check your disc's once your cars leave the garages from repairs & services i definitely will from now on:(

Muppet comes into mind, lol

[glojo]

:D Words fail me.

Please see sketch :D






http://www.farhanggoftego.com/DONKEY.gif

No doubt there are a few of us that think we are perfect, but that certainly doesn't include me.

Your dealer has been riight all along and your COMAND might well be okay.

I don't agree with your last suggestion about checking the DVD after the car has been serviced. Respect is a two way thing.

John

[steve.link]

My apologies to everyone who posted on this thread, I've just checked my disk and its 4.1:o i must have been thinking about the time i was going to upgrade to 5.1, but I'm 95% sure i had 5.1 and was thinking to purchase 6.1.

It might be a good idea to check your disc's once your cars leave the garages from repairs & services i definitely will from now on:(

If you want a cheap 5.1 disk I have one for sale

[prprandall51]

Before this thread peters out - whilst I (hopefully) still have the attention of so many knowledgable people, I have a question:

I am planning on upgrading my 211 Comand to allow ETA on the front screen but I am concerned that I might lose the ability to input new destinations whilst the vehicle is moving (heard of the removal of this capability on another thread recently). The wife will kill me if she can't set the destination from the passenger seat after we have already set off.

Can anyone confirm whether the two functions are connected within the same upgrade?

Thanks
Philip

[Alfie]

Before this thread peters out - whilst I (hopefully) still have the attention of so many knowledgable people, I have a question:

I am planning on upgrading my 211 Comand to allow ETA on the front screen but I am concerned that I might lose the ability to input new destinations whilst the vehicle is moving (heard of the removal of this capability on another thread recently). The wife will kill me if she can't set the destination from the passenger seat after we have already set off.

Can anyone confirm whether the two functions are connected within the same upgrade?

Thanks
Philip

As far as I am aware, that option is set for the Netherlands where it is illegal to enter the destination whilst moving. If you have a pre updated Comand then you apparently can set the option in the engineering menu to allow input on the move then when you update, the option should remain on. I have not tested this myself but I'd be surprised if it was turned off regardless as people with Linguatronic wouldnt be able to use it either!

[DansSlk]

Before this thread peters out - whilst I (hopefully) still have the attention of so many knowledgable people, I have a question:

I am planning on upgrading my 211 Comand to allow ETA on the front screen but I am concerned that I might lose the ability to input new destinations whilst the vehicle is moving (heard of the removal of this capability on another thread recently). The wife will kill me if she can't set the destination from the passenger seat after we have already set off.

Can anyone confirm whether the two functions are connected within the same upgrade?

Thanks
Philip
It's not locked out the destination input while moving function on units i have updated thats not to say it does not happen but worst case is you need 5 mins of time with somebody who has a DAS.

Whats probably happening is the Netherlands is being activated.

[DieselE]

Before this thread peters out - whilst I (hopefully) still have the attention of so many knowledgable people, I have a question:

I am planning on upgrading my 211 Comand to allow ETA on the front screen but I am concerned that I might lose the ability to input new destinations whilst the vehicle is moving (heard of the removal of this capability on another thread recently). The wife will kill me if she can't set the destination from the passenger seat after we have already set off.

Can anyone confirm whether the two functions are connected within the same upgrade?

Thanks
Philip

I bought the upgrade disk via an MB dealership and "She Who Must Be Obeyed" is still able to input destinations on the move (as well as fulfilling all the other functions of a fully qualified back seat driver :mad: ).

As well as ETA, the little cars now appear on the correct side of the road.

[prprandall51]

I... "She Who Must Be Obeyed" is still able to input destinations on the move (as well as fulfilling all the other functions of a fully qualified back seat driver :mad: ).

Thanks Alfie, DanSLK, DieselE.

I have Linguatronic and when I am driving, I am not allowed to input destinations via Linguatronic because the wife is "in charge" of all matters roue planning. And yet, when she is driving, she is in charge of navigation via Linguatronic and I must "stop fiddling with the controls".
(Mutters something under breath).
Philip

[Brian WH]

I bought the upgrade disk via an MB dealership and "She Who Must Be Obeyed" is still able to input destinations on the move (as well as fulfilling all the other functions of a fully qualified back seat driver :mad: ).

As well as ETA, the little cars now appear on the correct side of the road.

I assume you meant the red/yellow, there is a hold up cars, not real ones. Unless SWMBO is driving.:p